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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Mar 26, 2009 11:24:13 GMT -5
- DjollyDjolan and 60isolderthanithot both mentioned "fair use". It's possible that someone might try to repost our stuff for certain reasons allowed by the following: Fair use: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_useFair dealing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealingI would feel less upset if things were used ONLY for the purposes of educating people about our "disease" in a RESPECTFUL way. BUT ... I would really rather people didn't do that at all. I would prefer that if someone wants to "educate" people about squalor or hoarding, or if they want to do "scientific research", that they simply refer people back to our SOS website. And not quote our posts or repost our photos. Anybody who SINCERELY wants to do education or research would HOPEFULLY realize that none of us wants our photos reposted elsewhere!!!!! But ... there is no guarantee. See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limitations_and_exceptions_to_copyright------------------ |
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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Mar 26, 2009 11:56:07 GMT -5
- Wow. Look at #6 on this list: It's specifically regarding things "posted anonymously to an online discussion or news group". www.copylaw.com/new_articles/copy_myths.htmlPerhaps someone could contact the attorney who wrote that, and ask him/her what specific statute is referred to there? - |
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Post by creativechaos on Mar 26, 2009 16:27:37 GMT -5
short attention span today; i want to read all this but it is just too many posts, words, ideas for me to wade through. pretty foggy today.
it is a little disconcerting to see my posts as the first "hit" when i type in the word "hoarding". there is is, all my blah blah blah that i say openly, but such is the internet.
rather than worrying about who uses pictures, maybe it would be best to find a way to make our pictures inaccessible to the worldwide internet surfers at all. some code perhaps that we could write in as we post photos? i don't really understand these technical things.
i do like that this is an open group and that people can read or lurk and then decide. it is really helpful to read first, join later.
i would like to see pegasus's post and suggestions put somewhere like on the tech threads so we have access to it easily and "permanently". lots of good suggestions and steps there.
thanks to you all for discussing this.
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Post by eagle on Mar 27, 2009 8:03:41 GMT -5
I have 'stickied' this poll to stimulate more feedback from our members. I will unsticky it on or about the date the poll will close, April 4th.
Thank you to the 23 people who have voted so far.
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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Mar 27, 2009 10:34:43 GMT -5
- It has been suggested that we find a way to copyright the posts within this forum, which would include photos posted. - This is to make each post and photo "Copyright by the ORIGINAL POSTER".
So you would own the copyright to your original words and your original pictures.
- Stepping Out of Squalor would NOT own the copyright to your words and pictures.
It seems important to clarify this, because, recently, the news has been reporting about social networking websites who where trying to take "ownership" of their members' content. And we DON'T want to do that here, do we? My understanding is that this poll is to ask: Do you want to have a personal copyright to your own words and pictures -- under your anonymous username ? This is to forbid people from reposting your words and pictures outside this website without your permission.
Your words could be quoted within this forum, but not outside it.
And your photos would remain within the private "photos board" here, and not redisplayed publicly on these forums. And your photos would be forbidden from being reposted elsewhere on the internet or other media.This type of copyright won't completely prevent people from reposting your words and pictures elsewhere. But it is a good deterrent. - |
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Post by dayeanu on Mar 27, 2009 11:54:38 GMT -5
The thing that makes me feel strongly about having a copyright is, for example, the Oprah show mentioned here.
If they found us, and it was copyrighted, they would most likely respect that, just to avoid being embroiled in controversy.
While I understand that anything posted on the internet can, and probably will, be filtched by someone, somewhere, I believe a copyright would stop TV shows, etc., where the real damage would be done were we to be exposed.
So I think that it would be very good to copyright. Then at least they couldn't say they didn't know we cared!
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Post by Celeste on Mar 27, 2009 14:55:05 GMT -5
I think adding copyrights to each individual post is going to cause MORE problems, not less. Could a copyright on an individual post mean we can't quote a member's previous post? It could be interpreted that way, and in the case of anyone ever getting mad at SOS, that could mean mass deletion of any thread they contributed to -- or a lawsuit against us if we didn't do as they requested. As it is now, contributed photos/stories is exactly that: contributed. Given to us for our use on our website. We are not obliged to remove it if someone becomes unhappy with us. (Mind you, a member can still edit their material out themselves.) Frankly, copyright law WILL protect us if we simply declare it is copyrighted. Check here and here for more details. I suggest posting a general copyright on the whole website, stating that material, stories and photographs may not be used off the site without the express written permission from the contributing individual. They can either contact the poster directly (where possible) or send an email to the admins to get permission. The admins can try to contact the poster on their behalf. This is roughly the same agreement Pigpen used and it worked well. It dovetails nicely with copyright law as it stands in regard to the internet and forums such as ours. The Admins account is not any particular person or account, and that makes it safer for them to address someone who is re-posting "our" material elsewhere. ProBoards TOS would support us in this. |
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Post by moggyfan on Mar 27, 2009 17:16:06 GMT -5
There's a fairly easy code to disable the "copy/paste" function on images (so I am told by the tech person at work). The site could add this to image files to prevent the "right click" copy function on posted photos (or maybe each user would have to do it). Others could do screen captures, but not simply copy your photo and paste it somewhere else. See this site: www.angelfire.com/fl5/html-tutorial/rclickcode.htmThere are also a lot of discussions about this on Flickr. |
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Post by Celeste on Mar 27, 2009 21:44:00 GMT -5
Moggy, I added the "disable image copy" and the "disable copy-and-paste function" to the Photos! section and added a copyright warning to the error message sent when it is attempted. It is easy to work around if you know how (including screen capture), but it will discourage casual copying. Additionally, the notice it sends will make it very clear that the photos are copyrighted. Pictures posted elsewhere on the forum are not protected by the script because a) they are less likely to be copied, and b) the "disable copy-and-paste function" can be quite annoying to legitimate users too. Note: If you post links to photographs ( http://Host-URL.com/Image-filename.jpg) rather than embed the image in the post using the image tag button (shown below) or [IMG] and [/IMG], the disable script will not work.  ← Image tag button |
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Post by moggyfan on Mar 27, 2009 22:29:32 GMT -5
Woo-hoo, Celeste! You haz teh awesome! :-)
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Post by eagle on Mar 29, 2009 6:23:45 GMT -5
Moggy, I added the "disable image copy" and the "disable copy-and-paste function" to the Photos! section and added a copyright warning to the error message sent when it is attempted. It is easy to work around if you know how (including screen capture), but it will discourage casual copying. Additionally, the notice it sends will make it very clear that the photos are copyrighted. Pictures posted elsewhere on the forum are not protected by the script because a) they are less likely to be copied, and b) the "disable copy-and-paste function" can be quite annoying to legitimate users too. Note: If you post links to photographs ( http://Host-URL.com/Image-filename.jpg) rather than embed the image in the post using the image tag button (shown below) or [IMG] and [/IMG], the disable script will not work. ← Image tag buttonCeleste, thank you for doing that. Your skills are such a fabulous addition to our site. But as a human being, you are even more precious. It's good to see you posting. I was missing you. |
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Post by gettingsomewhere on Mar 30, 2009 1:28:19 GMT -5
Well done Celeste, I'm sure that will make many of our friends feel a little more comfortable. I was surprised by creativechaos' comments that her post are the first thing to pop up when she googles hoarding. I would have assumed that these threads would only be accessible from within this website. I like the idea that the photos and byways are only readable once you have logged in. Thanks everyone for their thoughts.
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Post by AnnieOkie on Mar 30, 2009 9:43:19 GMT -5
Thanks from me as well, Celeste. I think that makes me feel more comfortable. It's the photos that worry me. They are such an important tool on this board, I am glad others may feel more comfortable posting them now.
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Post by Celeste on Mar 30, 2009 14:07:20 GMT -5
I'm glad there was a way I could ease some of the concerns. Good suggestion, Moggy! Mind you, I still think we should post a general copyright on the bottom of each page (not post) and state our copyright policy in our Community Information. Celeste, thank you for doing that. Your skills are such a fabulous addition to our site. But as a human being, you are even more precious. It's good to see you posting. I was missing you.  Aw shucks, Eagle! You really know how to make a girl blush! |
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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Mar 30, 2009 15:20:05 GMT -5
- Dear Celeste, Thanks so much for putting the notice on the photos. It really eases my mind. Photos at Squalor Survivors were what made me feel safe about joining there. I still think we should post a general copyright on the bottom of each page (not post) and state our copyright policy in our Community Information. Yes, I agree. I seem to remember that Pigpen set it up in the frame of all forum menus to have the notice at the bottom of the page. It would be at the bottom of each page of a thread, and at the bottom of each forum menu or sub-menu. I think that Pigpen's notice said "All posts are copyright by their individual authors" or something like that. You could add a phrase saying that they cannot be quoted outside this site without the author's permission. (That would imply that they could be quoted INSIDE this site). I know that on the former forum, I told the details of my former Level 4 experience. I wouldn't have posted that unless there had been a notice saying it was forbidden to reprint my words outside the site. Such notices are difficult to enforce, but they are a great deterrent. - |
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