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Post by oliveoilmom on Feb 26, 2012 15:07:57 GMT -5
I watch Hoarders from time to time. I don't particularly care for Dr Robin Zasio. I'm sure she has the best intentions but something about her voice and manner comes across as condescending. That may just be her way of communicating, but I would be infuriated if I were to go to her for therapy or she were to come to my messy house and talked down to me like she does, or make those faces that show a shocked and horrified reaction, etc. She seems entirely too judgemental.
I've also noticed that Matt Paxton is getting more judgemental and making more negative comments about the people's houses and situations. He also seems to be doing less actual work in the later episodes. He may just be supervising now instead of doing as much labor, and maybe his contract stipulates that he doesn't have to do as much of the "down and dirty" stuff, but I don't like how he's gotten so negative toward people.
Does anybody else get the same feeling about Dr Zasio though? I'm sure she's a nice person and wants to help people. She's a very pretty girl too. But she just seems to get more and more "better than" the clients lately. Then again, they may have asked her to be that way to help ratings. It's mainly that half whisper tone of voice and the way she seems to be talking down to everyone like they either have a low IQ or dementia that bothers me though. Plus, several times I've seen her call authorities on people because of their mess. The people know they have a problem and have asked for help and are working on the problem, so I think that calling the authorities is overkill many times, and may just be done for ratings.
Do you all see that too, or is it just me reading it the wrong way?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 15:54:23 GMT -5
yeah I totally get what you mean. I think all it is is just hyeping it up for the show.
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Post by cincygal on Feb 27, 2012 17:11:24 GMT -5
So glad to keep learning more about Hoarding here and by watching the programs. I have a new friend who "hints" of her hoarding behavior. I won't be going to her home because she won't be inviting me. This, I know, already. I mentioned to her about needing picture frames to frame up some "copies" of my paintings. She said, "This, I can help you with". And, amazingly, she did! I now have at least 30 frames to use, recycle, and sell at my art studio. Her conversation is about one Thrift store and another - knows them all. It's "catching". Found myself feeling better after a Goodwill stop/shop episode for $20 - 1/2 price off everything - end of the month Saturday. Question? How many sweaters does one person need? I stack things neatly, but it's my own "store" - every color and many repeats of favorites - eBay buys - of mock turtleneck, medium, cream colored or white sweaters! I zero in on a color and buy multiples - always trying to "fill out the set" - dishes, etc. The other day I had "had it" with my collecting - grabbed up a bunch of forks & spoons (silver, real silver) and took it to "melt down" and got a check to put in the bank - which I did right away. No more polishing, no more worrying about who to give it to, etc., etc. Yes, I'm a "collector/hoarder/a person with too much stuff for sure! Now, it's time to put together another Goodwill box and check Freecycle to see if someone needs something. I'll watch Hoarders tonight to "keep me on track". And, I'll keep my sink clean - following Flylady.net - and doing what I choose - to make my life and home better each day. Onward!
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Post by dayeanu on Feb 27, 2012 18:18:40 GMT -5
So glad to keep learning more about Hoarding here and by watching the programs. I have a new friend who "hints" of her hoarding behavior. I won't be going to her home because she won't be inviting me. This, I know, already. I mentioned to her about needing picture frames to frame up some "copies" of my paintings. She said, "This, I can help you with". And, amazingly, she did! I now have at least 30 frames to use, recycle, and sell at my art studio. Her conversation is about one Thrift store and another - knows them all. It's "catching". Found myself feeling better after a Goodwill stop/shop episode for $20 - 1/2 price off everything - end of the month Saturday. Question? How many sweaters does one person need? I stack things neatly, but it's my own "store" - every color and many repeats of favorites - eBay buys - of mock turtleneck, medium, cream colored or white sweaters! I zero in on a color and buy multiples - always trying to "fill out the set" - dishes, etc. The other day I had "had it" with my collecting - grabbed up a bunch of forks & spoons (silver, real silver) and took it to "melt down" and got a check to put in the bank - which I did right away. No more polishing, no more worrying about who to give it to, etc., etc. Yes, I'm a "collector/hoarder/a person with too much stuff for sure! Now, it's time to put together another Goodwill box and check Freecycle to see if someone needs something. I'll watch Hoarders tonight to "keep me on track". And, I'll keep my sink clean - following Flylady.net - and doing what I choose - to make my life and home better each day. Onward! Good for you for selling the silver. And your plans to let other things go. I'm happy for your friend, that she could give away the picture frames. Maybe she isn't a *true* hoarder? or maybe she is. I totally relate to your comment about "completing sets." It's always been an issue for me. Then one day, after I had broken a glass and was scouring the countryside for a replacement (so the set could be complete) - it dawned on me - why does a set have to be 8, or 12. Just who was the rulemaker who said 7 matching glasses can't be a "set?" I wanted to add here that I have only watched maybe a half-dozen hoarder episodes. All the rest of my viewing, including the episodes discussed on this thread, I did not actually watch in their entireties. I watched short "clips" of about 50 episodes. It occurred to me that I have posted comments on here, based on those snippets of the episodes. It is entirely likely that just watching clips does not convey the full story. Perhaps I should not have commented. I did, however, watch the full episode of the woman who lost her children. (I think we're talking about the same one.) Intelligent, polished appearance, and yet she could not stop shopping or let the junk guys take her stuff. I identified with that to a limited extent. There is a detachment from reality. I posted about this last night in the "disassociation" thread in by-ways. When I am shopping, in my mind I see only the positives, the advantages and benefits and enjoyment to be gained from having possession of an item. I don't see it as adding to the clutter, contributing to the mess, and making my life more difficult. I see it as adding to my family's quality of life; I see it as a tool around which to make wonderful family memories. In reality, the presence of so much stuff makes my family not want to come near my house - and who can blame them. If they did come to my house, their memories would be of twisting and gyrating through goat trails, and stirring up dust while trying to clear a place to sit. THAT is reality; it is not what I see when i look st an item. I apparently have a real disconnect from reality about objects, especially when I am shopping. I could sort of see that woman doing the same thing. The reality of her children having to live with grandparents, of her husband divorcing her, was all overshadowed by her perception of how this stuff would enrich their lives. The same "disconnect from reality" that I have when I am shopping, only hers was to a greater degree. Well, there's all my dirty laundry for today!
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Post by allwell on Mar 9, 2012 2:57:38 GMT -5
"Plus, several times I've seen her call authorities on people because of their mess. The people know they have a problem and have asked for help and are working on the problem, so I think that calling the authorities is overkill many times, and may just be done for ratings." Dr Zasio and any other mental health professional or social worker is legally required to report any situations which put a child in danger and I believe also some cases involving adults.
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Post by puppybox on Mar 9, 2012 9:44:22 GMT -5
Hi allwell, Welcome! I agree it's not necessarily right to let a person do it in their own time if there is a danger involved. The show people will leave, the authorities are the right people to call so that the people are not endangered.
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Post by downandout on Mar 10, 2012 5:50:08 GMT -5
Script wrote:youre right. hadnt thought of that! but you see i would have just kept the plant outside. even with pee in the pot it wouldnt smell that much and it would be outside. of course i say that because i live in the south and its possible to keep potted plants outside year round. and i must admit that right now i have a large potted plant on the porch that i am sure my cat has peed in on more than one occasion i believe that i have now fixed it where she cant pee in it anymore but she can be quite determined you know? oh and i did manage to catch one of the newer shows and i do like when they decorate a little bit! much nicer to come back into a clean painted room right?
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Post by dayeanu on Mar 10, 2012 7:59:13 GMT -5
Re potted plants - it may have been tossed because it was infested wih bugs or mites or some such pests. Idk if this is true, but I read that fruit flies can nest and breed in the soil of potted plants. You never know what kind of trouble you might be bringing home in a cast-off plant.
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Post by peggie on Aug 25, 2014 13:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by Jannie on Aug 25, 2014 16:49:09 GMT -5
I'm a hoarder and I really love watching these shows. Yeah, they are a guilty pleasure. I look at each hoarder and say to myself "I'm not nearly that bad." I do like that they work with both a professional psychologist and a real "organizer". I have an acquaintance who is a professional organizer. She has told me realistically that organizing takes many many hours. An inch of paper clutter on a desk may take 8 or ten hours to completely organize. Some shows they actually SHOVEL the trash from people's homes. I've never got to that level. If my dog or cat poops or pees, I clean it up right away. But my books, magazines, paper clutter, etc are taking over my house. Right now I have piles in my bedroom and piles in my dining room. I chose the dining room for my clutter because there's extra floor space and nobody goes in there. Oops. sorry to go off on my own tangent...just wanted to make my point that I watch those shows with great interest.
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 25, 2014 17:48:42 GMT -5
I'm watching the Fuzzie & Fred / Nancy episode. I've never watched before, but some of you have indicated there is value to watching, so I am trying it.
Nancy's house is so "bad" that at the first commercial break I went to my bedroom to remind me that my bed is made. I literally had to show myself that it hadn't changed.
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Post by hungaryhippo on Aug 26, 2014 17:25:33 GMT -5
I've watched these hoarding shows off and on for a few years but I've been obsessed with them for the last few weeks. There's a UK show called "The Hoarder Next Door" and I managed to see an episode of that today.
As has been pointed out previously, "Hoarders" deals with people in real crisis situations and the solution has to be fast and decisive. But as we all know, that's not really the way to do it. Some people may have been hoarding for 40 years or more and you can't cure 40 years of "unusual" behaviour in 2 or 4 weeks. It may take years to change thought patterns and habits and I'm always fearful that many of the people featured on "Hoarders" will relapse and sooner, rather than later. I also agree with oliveoilmom that Matt Paxton has become much more judgmental in recent times and I was surprised to see him described in one episode as an "expert in hoarding" - ummm, no - he's an expert in throwing crap away and that's about it. Seems to me he's getting ideas above his station. If I disregard the fact that "Hoarders" is about extreme, emergency situations that need a quick fix, I watch it to show me the "wrong" way to deal with hoarding issues.
"Buried Alive" is much better in my opinion - the hoarder is the star of the show, not the "professionals" and I like the way they're encouraged to show us around their homes and tell us about their hoard in their own words - there's often so much humour in their descriptions of their lives and clutter that it instantly makes them appear more human and likeable and I'm always rooting for them. But am I the only one who finds Dr Julie Pike extremely creepy? Her eyes! Brrrrr!
"The Hoarder Next Door" is more similar to "Buried Alive" than to "Hoarders" and shows us less extreme situations. In fact, in the episode I watched, one woman was a hoarder but the other one was really just a "collector" who'd collected too much stuff (in her case, Disney stuff).
I think I watch these shows to reassure myself that "I'm not as bad as these people" and to prevent myself from getting any worse than I am now. One thing that I don't understand though, is the absolute hysteria over expired food. So a can of beans expired 2 years ago? So what? There are cans of food at the South Pole that have been there nearly 100 years and apparently it would still be perfectly OK to eat the contents. So I'm certainly not going to worry over an undented tin of spaghetti hoops that expired in 2011. I once drank a can of tomato juice that was 10 YEARS out of date and it was absolutely fine - very tasty in fact. I've got some unopened yoghurts in the fridge that have got to be at least a year out of date - I'm going to eat one tomorrow with no worries whatsoever. It's already got bacteria in it - it's yoghurt. I'm still munching my way through 3 year old cereal with no ill effects. Let your nose be your guide in these matters. There is one thing I will NOT eat if it's even a day out of date though and that is pancake mix - apparently it can get infected with some kind of nasty mould that will kill you.
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 26, 2014 19:07:45 GMT -5
Today, I watched a Hoarders episode with a food hoarder who had SERIOUS mouse and roach infestation, a non-functioning refrigerator, and a very unhealthy relationship with food. She had fed her daughter sickening things she'd cooked, including most notably, an "apple pie" made with raw chicken hearts. Once her daughter went to get butter and found a dead squirrel in the butter dish. I think the only way that could've happened is if the woman had put it there herself, on purpose. This episode nauseated me. I felt so bad for the daughter who said that she has problems watching people cook because it triggers memories of her mother's culinary abuse. And I thought my mother's "Thousand Island dressing" and generic ketchup were bad.
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Post by nicole on Aug 26, 2014 19:25:47 GMT -5
That is terribly disturbing child abuse! I watch the show for motivation but some episodes are just too sad. I'm going to try and find this episode with the happy ending now.
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Post by peggie on Aug 26, 2014 23:09:55 GMT -5
I saw the RENEE episode on hoarders: buried alive today for the first time and I do not think I have really wanted to b*tch slap someone so hard in my life! The nerve of this woman is outrageous! Here her best friend takes her in and lets her live there for over a year. She is 400 pounds at least and NOT working. How she can afford to feed her is beyond me! Yet she lets Renee stay and one her ONE DAY OFF a week, she goes with Renee to clean her filthy sty and Renee is constantly making really rude and oh-so-condescending comments to her and about her! When Renee’s sister comes to help, she is even meaner and ruder to her! When the crew is there cleaning all her crap up she is practically accusing them of stealing her "treasures" which are mostly clothes(as if anyone there needs her hideous Moo-Moos)Anyway has anyone noticed that the common personality traits all extreme hoarders seem to share are: narscissism,totally self absorbed, incapable of loving anyone but themselves. To the hoarder all that seems to matter is I, ME, MY! They neglect and abuse animals, kids, spouses, therapists, etc, etc, etc. However, boy they take care of their trash! It seems that they might all benefit from ELECTRO-SHOCK THERAPY! Seriously, since it removes their short-term memory the family and a cleaning crew could go in and gut the hoard while the hoarder is in the Hospital. When they go home afterward, they would not miss their hoard right away. By the time their memory came back, they would never want to live like that again!
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