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Post by soapyclean on Aug 25, 2014 15:01:42 GMT -5
I have a dog who was saved from a breeding facility.
He is not house trained after a year and a half of being mine.
He piddles outside, then comes in and piddles.
DH puts down pee pads for him. He uses those, then pees all over the house. I am trying to housebreak him. I put him outside and praise him for going potty outside. I still find puddles all over the house. Lately I've been cheating by leaving him outside most of the day, and holding him a lot when he's in. It's marking behavior. He never pees in our bed or on his own bedding. He does not poop in the house. I want to eliminate the pee pads and maybe get diapers for him.
Any suggestions are welcome.
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Post by Di on Aug 25, 2014 15:06:24 GMT -5
How about a crate until he can be trusted?
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 25, 2014 15:09:51 GMT -5
How about a crate until he can be trusted? Due to living in a cage for years, he freaks out in a crate, barks incessantly and struggles to get out.
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Post by Di on Aug 25, 2014 15:18:47 GMT -5
That's a shame. Crates are awesome but not when they are used for abuse
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Post by OnTheMend on Aug 25, 2014 15:24:49 GMT -5
Oh no I don't have any good advice, I am in a similar situation myself too with my dog (who has changed couple of homes before she came to me and has apparently been mistreated). My dog pees inside, also on furniture, so I have had to deny her access to them. I have had to roll all area rugs away to storage and can never leave any textiles on the floor because she could pee on them. She also sometimes pees in her bed, which I have read is a sign that her natural cleanliness instincts have been diminished/confused/vanished. She was apparently kept only indoor during her puppyhood (never taken out), in a place I suspect was a puppymill and I suspect she was crated a lot. Her problem has become better over the years but she is not housetrained yet. Especially winters and wet weathers are ones she hates and those times of the year (autumn, winter spring) it's worse and in summer she is almost perfect little girl. I have never use peepads nor even newspapers inside. I praise her when she pees and poops outside and for a long time gave her a treat. I have tought her to pee on cue and always give treat when she does that. In the beginning I had to take her out all the time, every couple of hours around the clock. There was usually about 10 times per 24 h I took her out. She learned that she always gets out when she asks, which has helped. These days she is most like to pee inside when she is alone. I try to minimize this by taking her out right before I leave. She has slowly learned to hold longer and longer, and can often be as long as 5 hours alone without accidents. She easily sleeps through the night too these days. i always take her out first thing in the morning - and I mean the very first thing I do after my feet hit the floor! - because she can't wait even five minutes. When I broke up and my ex-fiance moved out my dog got terribly upset and her peeing (and seperation anxiety) got very bad. Time and calming products from pet store/vet helped: DAP pheromones and calming non-medical pills whose effect is based on certain aminoacids. My dog also has another pee-related problem which is different from not being housetrained. She is a submissive urinator and that's actually how most often these days she has an accident. There's not much to do about it, other than tweak my own behaviour (not pet her soon after coming home, for example). I have in the past used entzyme based cleaners which did help but I have changed to white vinegar after I noticed this is a long term problem and the cleaners did not "cure her".
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Post by shrewprincess on Aug 25, 2014 15:43:06 GMT -5
It sounds like he may have an incontinence issue, how old is he? Is he neutered?
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Post by charis on Aug 25, 2014 15:48:58 GMT -5
Have you tried leash bonding? It worked for us when we adopted a dog from the humane society who had been returned from his first adoption because his housetraining was bad. You keep the dog on a leash hooked physically to you all day every day unless the dog is outside or in a crate at night or when you have to be gone. It took almost three weeks but it worked perfectly in the end. Also, our vet told us that unneutered male dogs are worse about peeing everywhere, and dogs that get fixed as adults are harder to break of it as opposed to puppies who never developed the habit. www.alderbrits.com/training/training-your-dog/housebreakinganolderdog
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 25, 2014 16:45:08 GMT -5
It sounds like he may have an incontinence issue, how old is he? Is he neutered? He was neutered by the rescue, so he came to me neutered. I feel like this is a marking issue. he won't do it in front of me. Maybe leash bonding is the way to go.
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 25, 2014 16:48:14 GMT -5
I am lucky that bonding is not an issue. This little guy fell in love with us (mutual!) immediately. He's spoiled something fierce. He sleeps with us. I do take him out the second I get up.
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Post by charis on Aug 25, 2014 17:08:51 GMT -5
No, we didn't need leashbonding for emotional bonding purposes either--our olddog (now old then a 4 year old:) ) is very much a "Nice to meet you, I love you!" kind of guy. For us the leash bonding was solely for house training improvement. Because we could catch him the moment he started to lift his leg, we could give him a "NO!" and hustle him outside, and he lost all his chances to "sneak one in".
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Post by dayeanu on Aug 25, 2014 17:28:37 GMT -5
charis thank you for sharing about leash bonding. I have never done this, but I know of dog trainers (from years ago) who would place a wrap around the dog's mid to back section, to place gentle pressure on his pee-pee (my phone won't let me use the correct word.) Depending on the size of the dog, they might use the top of a tube sock, or something like that. There are companies on line that actually sell "wee-wee" wraps for male dogs. (I don't remember what they are called. Sorry) Apparently the gentle pressure on the appropriate male part keeps them from feeling the urge to mark, and you of course remove it when they go outside.
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 25, 2014 18:47:19 GMT -5
charis thank you for sharing about leash bonding. I have never done this, but I know of dog trainers (from years ago) who would place a wrap around the dog's mid to back section, to place gentle pressure on his pee-pee (my phone won't let me use the correct word.) Depending on the size of the dog, they might use the top of a tube sock, or something like that. There are companies on line that actually sell "wee-wee" wraps for male dogs. (I don't remember what they are called. Sorry) Apparently the gentle pressure on the appropriate male part keeps them from feeling the urge to mark, and you of course remove it when they go outside. I have one of these. He walks right out of it. I don't know if I could get him in a tube sock. Might be worth trying. He's shaped like a noodle.
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Post by shrewprincess on Aug 25, 2014 19:34:32 GMT -5
When I first brought my boy home I used leash bonding (though I didn't know that term for it) to help keep him from chewing. It worked pretty well, and improved his walking manners significantly too. Just from the frequency you describe, it still sounds like there might be a physical issue. It might be worth it, if you can, to get a sample and check for cloudiness, dark color, or a strong odor.
If it's behavioral, you have an uphill battle and I don't have much useful advice. With him having been neutered so late, after being bred, that marking instinct is a strong urge to fight. A barrier like a diaper or the kind of wrap Dayneau mentioned might prevent the behavior long enough to break the habit. My parents' dog was neutered at 2 years old and wasn't reliable in the house until after they got another, more dominant, male dog who'd been fixed as a puppy.
Good luck! I know how frustrating this can be, my last dog was incontinent for the last two years of her life, and it's a constant struggle to keep up with.
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 25, 2014 22:03:45 GMT -5
It is a big challenge. Fortunately, I do not have carpet or rugs.
I do have an older dog who dribbles. He fights me on taking his meds for it, and sometimes he dribbles in spite of the meds. I just feel filthy with pee dribbles all over the house. I hate to mop, but I've been struggling to mop at least once a week to clean up the dribbles. It keeps the odor from being apparent.
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Post by dayeanu on Aug 26, 2014 8:24:36 GMT -5
Soapyclean, something like vet wrap might help keep the "preventive" garment in place.
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