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Post by puppybox on Aug 26, 2014 9:02:28 GMT -5
I was going to say that holding him while in the house wasn't cheating, it was good sense, and similar to what people are calling leash bonding but I know as the umbilical method. To me it's not about bonding at least for house training, it's about forcing yourself to keep an eye on the dog every second. So that when he does start to pee, you can make a gasping noise, as if he is eating poison, pick him up and run like a freaking banshee out of the house. This is to make the dog notice that you consider inside peeing ungood. The gasp noise is crucial imo. you need to play act really exaggeratedly horrified. Not like you are angry with him, but that you are horrified like someone is dying.
If you are right about marking, the enzyme cleaner is essential.
Do you walk him? walking him every day, ideally past a lot of vertical things he'd enjoy peeing on would give him a chance to mark but in an acceptable place.
Yay rescuing dogs! yay not giving up! wtg good advice from everyone!
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 26, 2014 11:30:04 GMT -5
Believe it or not, he will not pee on a walk unless he is absolutely full. He won't "mark" on a walk. The entire time I've had him he has only peed on a walk one time.
I'm going to look into VetWrap. That will be helpful. Currently, he just walks right out of his "fancy pants" as we call it.
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Post by skylark on Aug 26, 2014 12:12:50 GMT -5
Dear Soapyclean --
My DH likes to brag that he can house train a dog in three days. And he's done it, except for our current puppy -- a female golden retriever. She took several weeks to train. It wasn't until we took a urine sample to the vet that we learned that the poor tyke had a urinary tract infection. Apparently, with the infection, it was more comfortable for her to pee in the house (Arrgh!).
It might be worth the price of a urinalysis to find out if this is an issue. I agree with the belly belt idea if this isn't an issue.
Keep being persistent on this issue. It is so worth it in the end.
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Post by OnTheMend on Aug 26, 2014 13:23:06 GMT -5
I forgot to say, that I have limited my dog's space so, that she is always in the same space as me. I have a dog gate dividing my home in two and I close the door to office room. The dog is always on the same side of the gate as me and I can keep an eye on her.
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Post by dayeanu on Aug 26, 2014 13:29:21 GMT -5
I admire your determination.
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 26, 2014 13:34:53 GMT -5
I forgot to say, that I have limited my dog space so, that she is always in the same space as me. I have a dog gate dividing my home in two and I close the door to office room. The dog is always on the same side of the gate as me and I can keep an eye on her. My kitchen and living room are open to each other. I do close the bedroom and bathroom doors when I leave so he can't "do his worst" in those rooms.
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Post by puppybox on Aug 27, 2014 1:34:02 GMT -5
Believe it or not, he will not pee on a walk unless he is absolutely full. He won't "mark" on a walk. The entire time I've had him he has only peed on a walk one time. I'm going to look into VetWrap. That will be helpful. Currently, he just walks right out of his "fancy pants" as we call it. Poor booboo, this is a lack of self esteem. he doesn't want to start a conflict by peeing where other dogs pee. There's not much you can do, except if you can find him some dog friends, that might help, maybe. It's not worth changing your lifestyle over. I also can generally claim to house break a dog in a few days (I had foster dogs)... But this case would certainly destroy my record. I feel for you. My well trained 9 year old dog has started leaking, especially in her sleep. Medicine is now controlling it but I'm supposed to play with the dose until I find the lowest amount that corrects the problem, and I'm also seeing how taking her out more affects this. My fake leather couch seat (permanently attached to the couch, and it had a few cracks) had to be cut out and now I'm sitting on blankets layed over the springs until I can get some foam and sew new seat cushions. The bigger dog cannot deal with this new set up and tries to gather the blankets into a nest, and then falls thru a hole she created. Dummy. Now she has to lie on the floor in the living room.
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 27, 2014 11:34:13 GMT -5
Puppybox, he has my other 4 dogs as friends. He is VERY submissive toward them, and he loves them. He will lie in a pile with them. But yet he marks all over th house. BTW, we did have a good day yesterday. I kept him out most of the day. He was fine with this. When he was in, we both leash-bonded him, and he did fine with this, too. I had trouble getting the leash on him, because he knew he was *not* going for a walk. But once on the leash, he did fine.
Today he pitched a fit when I left him outside. He's a very shorthaired dog, and I think he was cold. Right now, I am holding him. It's good for both of us: I'm cold too.
He's a really good dog, very affectionate. It's worth doing this for him.
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Post by puppybox on Aug 27, 2014 12:07:39 GMT -5
I didn't mean it isn't worth working on his marking rather than throwinghim away, of course. I meant it isn't worth it to start a program of increasing his self esteem in the way I would advise for that, as a means of curing his marking, because it might not affect it. I adopted a feral, low self esteem dog myself and over the years I have finally see her develop more self confidence. ie, be less submissive. However the means in which it happened would mean you need to gather a group of dogs and walk around your neighbour hood for 3 hours a day, and take your dog to other peoples houses, or at least their yards, it was a lifestyle for me that didn't happen as a means to an end, and you couldn't really do it as a means to an end. and it probably wouldn't even be possible if you weren't living that lifestyle for itself but simply to indirectly accomplish a behavioural change. That is what I meant.
He may have been cold outside, but I think since his habit of marking is so ingrained and so much a part of his routine I think he's noticed he is being prevented from doing it, and hence the rebellions. this is the part where it gets worse before (on the way) to getting better.
Good for you!
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Post by soapyclean on Aug 27, 2014 13:15:11 GMT -5
I was making that affirmation to myself. I would never return him. He is the light of our lives, literally. He moved right in to our hearts immediately. I can't really take him into others' homes, as the only friends I have (neighbors) do not have a dog. i moved here fairly recently and don't have friends here. The person I was closest with keeps a spotless house, so I have not felt comfortable inviting her over. She doesn't have a dog, either. I hate how clutter keeps me from living a full life.
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Post by puppybox on Aug 27, 2014 17:41:00 GMT -5
By the way I'm so impressed you have 5 dogs, and it's nice for peedog to have friends.
You know if your dogs are manageable on a leash and basically friendly, walking down the street with 3 or more dogs gets a person a lot of attention and smiles, you'll find the other dog lovers in your neighbourhood! I definitely made friends because of my dog(s).
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