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Post by joyinvirginia on Jul 7, 2018 20:05:44 GMT -5
I am going to reread the entire book.. as soon as I unclutter the desk.. and find it...
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Post by joyinvirginia on Aug 16, 2018 9:54:14 GMT -5
YES! I reread the foreword last night! First thing to realize is that when Kon Marie says "tidying" it means something very different than how I've usually thought of the term. Tidying, when referred to by this author, is NOT cleaning. Cleaning is NOT supposed to be done while tidying. Thinking about this, I want to look at the definition of tidy. Cambridge English Dictionary defines tidy as an adjective, meaning ordered, "having everything ordered and arranged in the right place". [An alternate meaning is large, like "a tidy sum" meaning large amount.] Tidy can also be a verb, "to make a place or a collection of things tidy". Translation from Cambridge English-Japanese Dictionary: Tidy as adjective: "having everything in the right place and in good order". Tidy as verb: "to make a place tidy". Contrast this with The Urban Dictionary definition: "Tidyinng: A feeble attempt to slightly clean an area". THAT is what I think of when reading tidying up. my conclusion:to successfully use the KonMari method, you have to understand the language and exactly what she means! Its changing how you are thinking, and if you can really embrace the change in thinking then the method will be more effective for you. This system will not work for everyone, and I found a great article discussing reasons why. it's definitely a huge cultural difference between the two countries! Read about it here: "Why the Magic Art of Tidying Up Doesn't Work four American Women" by Lisa Woodruff. organize365.com/magic-art-tidying-review/ |
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Post by notanotherdecade on Aug 17, 2018 15:00:42 GMT -5
First thing to realize is that when Kon Marie says "tidying" it means something very different than how I've usually thought of the term. Tidying, when referred to by this author, is NOT cleaning. Cleaning is NOT supposed to be done while tidying. Thinking about this, I want to look at the definition of tidy. Cambridge English Dictionary defines tidy as an adjective, meaning ordered, "having everything ordered and arranged in the right place". [An alternate meaning is large, like "a tidy sum" meaning large amount.] Tidy can also be a verb, "to make a place or a collection of things tidy". Translation from Cambridge English-Japanese Dictionary: Tidy as adjective: "having everything in the right place and in good order". Tidy as verb: "to make a place tidy". Contrast this with The Urban Dictionary definition: "Tidyinng: A feeble attempt to slightly clean an area". THAT is what I think of when reading tidying up. Think my tidying matches the Urban Dictionary definition too 😟 The Lisa Woodruff article mentions that impossible concept of finding a perfect quantity and quality of joy sparking possessions, that can lead to the life we always wanted........ But KM emphasis on perfection I think can become a trap... Esp for folks that me - - - I can spend all day rearranging the book shelves, figuring out what will/won't spark joy, and shaking the dust out of each and every one of them, meanwhile behind me the rest of the room remains in chaos... Yes I Have decluttered more, and organised my belongings better thanks to KM ...... But I now need a system that makes me keep in mind the "bigger picture" while still making decluttering possible Haha, perfectionism just struck again, I've edited this at least four times, , to get it "just right" |
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Post by lovingaunt on Aug 26, 2018 4:37:25 GMT -5
I read this last year, didn't do it except for my knicker drawer, but there it is a year later colour coordinated with each pair folded like a little butterfly. I haven't bought any knickers since I did it and it does spark joy. I must give the book to my niece, maybe that will give her the tools she needs..
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Post by itsybitsy on Aug 28, 2018 12:58:24 GMT -5
I think the KM may be useful for me for the clothing category, in terms of seeing the enormity of it all in one pile and then putting back what I know I wear all the time and feel good about wearing. I couldn't do it in the strict way she says, though, with all outerwear included. Too much to take care of at one go. It scared me when she said she tells her clients that if they don't add it to the pile at the beginning of their work together, out it goes. Can't live by that kind of strictness. Also, if I had told my husband that we were going to pull absolutely every tool, nail and screw out of the garage before starting the sort and "is it useful" question, it would have been a non-starter for him. We have taken at least 10 passes at the garage over the years, working together, and we have made good progress. We first removed the trash, then items we were storing for others, giving reasonable deadlines for them to sort and move it out, then on to sorting by category, some donations, etc. I'm now at the point where I can begin to look at specific categories, like nails and screws, and small tools, and try to make sense of how to organize it all.
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Post by jendela on Jan 31, 2023 2:02:19 GMT -5
Oh dear, I have just read that Marie Kondo has given up on tidying as she values spending time with her 3 young children more than a tidy house. (No point in my posting a link because it will be paywalled, but I am sure you can find the story.) Well, at least she is honest but can I get a refund for the money I spent on her book?  |
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Post by hedy on Jan 31, 2023 12:53:20 GMT -5
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Post by papermoon on Jan 31, 2023 18:48:20 GMT -5
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Post by joyinvirginia on Feb 1, 2023 9:17:53 GMT -5
Yes, my home would be perfectly organized if life didn't keep happening! Using the Kon Mari method is VERY HELPFUL for clothing sorting, making sure amount of clothing fits in storage space, and thinking about organization that makes sense. Also is very helpful in kitchen organization and decluttering.
I've never gotten to the sentimental stuff. Maybe next year? I don't want to leave a bunch of old stuff for my kids to sort out. Maybe I'll read that swedish death cleaning book?
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Post by lucie on Feb 1, 2023 10:39:14 GMT -5
joyinvirginia I liked the swedish death cleaning book a lot. Originally it is actually called Life Cleaning. It is very rational and made sense to me.
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Post by BetsyMarie on Feb 2, 2023 10:01:52 GMT -5
When I read the other day that Marie Kondo was 'giving up', I was humored. I'm glad she has reached the point of her truth far sooner than many others. With her reputation as a neatness authority, it likely took courage for her to admit it publicly. I'm sure she is still far neater, and always will be, than I ever will be. edit: Somehow I think Ms Kondo's concept of 'giving up' is far different than mine.  |
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