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Post by survivorgurl on Apr 16, 2009 23:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by Meme on Apr 17, 2009 1:03:01 GMT -5
interesting pictures- I guess there is only 8 as the first one is the way it is suppose to be?? but I think that would be hard to do or relax in --as there seems to be no life in the first picture- kind of like a motel room before I use it- most of my rooms are picture 2- upstairs- 3
I on occasion have had the number 1 picture- and probably live between 1 and 2 as long as you do not go to the upper room- (attic)
it was almost too short of an article- it was good to see that they are starting to see that
some times we need help-
I guess I will be mostly number 2 but that is a good thing for me - never got to number 9 but at the 5 to 7 many times-
maybe they will add more to the information later
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Post by 60isolderthanithot on Apr 17, 2009 8:17:33 GMT -5
Is it part of my condition that I can hardly tell the difference after level 4? It all begins to look the same once you can't see the bed. It's just piled higher.
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Post by Magpie on Apr 17, 2009 18:30:10 GMT -5
That is 1 of 3 Clutter Image Ratings I believe is mentioned in the therapist's book by Stetekee, et al.
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Post by phoebepj on Apr 17, 2009 21:31:45 GMT -5
By those image ratings, i would have been at a 7 to 9 in one room... with the rest ranging about 5-6 on the scale. only one room would have been about a 3.
Most of my clutter/squalor was due to trash and also due to depression from a traumatic event in my life that triggered my downward spiral into "idontcare" city.
The scale i use was found on the original squalor survivors website.. and has ranges from level 0 to level 4 and in some severe cases level 5.
This is an abbreviation....(and my interpretation of the levels)
Level 0 - no clutter
level 1 - mild - moderate clutter, no rotting food, no animal feces
level 2 - moderate to severe clutter, rotting food, no animal feces
level 3 - Severe clutter, rotting food, animal feces
level 4 - all of the above plus human waste.
Over all i considered myself a level 2... with one area going into level 3 with the catbox.
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Post by ivorytower on Apr 18, 2009 4:43:41 GMT -5
I think the pictures show how clutter can build up rather than hoarding. Picture 2 shows general mess with things dropped on the floor or left where they don't belong. I suspect hoarding starts with a more purposeful collecting and stashing of things and gets out of control only when storage places are full. Messies may have empty cupboards and drawers.
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Post by autumn on Apr 18, 2009 8:08:22 GMT -5
Hi, I agree completely with Ivory. (although the concept of an empty drawer eludes me)  |
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Post by Di Dreaming on Apr 18, 2009 9:00:30 GMT -5
I can't relate to any of those photos. I really don't have trash or junk in the apartment. If it was just a matter of newspapers and other trash, this place would be totally cleaned out in under 24 hours. I have never had a problem tossing out junk.
Where I get bogged down is having too much stuff and not enough space for it. I want _______. I also want __________ (fill in your own important or valuable items). I also want to finish the projects I have started, not just toss them. I don't want to give up the things that I struggled to acquire, and yet I want a functional home. I can't seem to have both so I am torn.
It makes me wish that there was a pile of newspapers or magazines or soda bottles, or piles of clothing. I could then easily clear out space and feel good about it.
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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Apr 18, 2009 9:08:58 GMT -5
- That is 1 of 3 Clutter Image Ratings I believe is mentioned in the therapist's book by Stetekee, et al. Yes, those photos are from the book "Treatments That Work: Compulsive Hoarding and Acquiring workbook" By Gail Steketee and Randy Frost. www.ocfoundation.org/book-review-07-Compulsive-Hoarding-and-Acquiring.htmlThis version of the book is the therapist's guide: www.amazon.com/dp/0195300254/This version of the book is a workbook for you, the patient: www.amazon.com/dp/0195310551Steketee and Frost are two of the very few experts on Compulsive Hoarding. As Magpie said, there were three sets of photos: Living room: www.us.oup.com/us/images/treatments/hoardinglivingroomKitchen: www.us.oup.com/us/images/treatments/hoardingkitchenBedroom: www.us.oup.com/us/images/treatments/hoardingbedroomCLICK ON each individual thumbnail photo within the series of nine, and you'll get a larger version to examine in detail.These photos are designed for self-analysis, to rate oneself, for describing your level to your therapist -- if your therapist is using the book I mentioned. It's called the "clutter-image scale". It's a way of being able to use sample photos to bring to your therapist, without having to take photos of your own house. Obviously, the photos were "staged". It looks like someone went into a clean empty room, and photographed that for the cleanest level. Then they gradually dumped more stuff in for each photo. It was just a way to make pictures depicting amounts of junk in a room. From one of the links from the Boston Globe article -- reference point: - |
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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Apr 18, 2009 9:14:35 GMT -5
I think the pictures show how clutter can build up rather than hoarding.
Picture 2 shows general mess with things dropped on the floor or left where they don't belong. I suspect hoarding starts with a more purposeful collecting and stashing of things and gets out of control only when storage places are full. Messies may have empty cupboards and drawers. I totally agree with this. - |
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Post by phoebepj on Apr 18, 2009 10:15:07 GMT -5
i do know that i tend to be more of a "messy" person rather than a clutterer or collector. There are a few things that i know i tend to "collect" because of sentimental value. But those are so few and far between.
My main problem came when i simply didnt care about the state of my apartment. I was severely depressed and just didnt care. I let the trash build up... yes trash.. empty food containers, take-out bags, newspapers, other papers, any other parts of generalized trash.
I guess when i snapped out of the depression, it was easier to throw away and bag up useless trash and old clothes. Did lots of useful things make it to the garbage when i was bagging up things? yes of course, i'm sure! Do i still struggle with making sure things get put in their place rather than just dropped anywhere? YES!! undoubtedly.
I still consider myself as having lived/living in squalor.
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