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Post by disorganizeddragon on Dec 11, 2009 19:03:43 GMT -5
Folks, Script has been very hurt by some of the comments made concerning one of her postings in the following thread--so hurt that she now wants to leave us: takeonestepatatime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8400Script's hard work has made this board possible for all of us. The job of an administrator of a board like this one is often difficult and thankless; I'm sure Celeste would agree. But it is all that hard work that has made it possible for all of us to gather here and talk about and thru the problems that unite us--clutter and squalor. Please, please, please, chime in and let Script know how much she means to this board and to you personally. I am going to bump this thread every single time I see it reach the bottom of the page, so everyone better get used to seeing it at the top of this board. Seriously. Come on, SOoSers, show your love and appreciation. . . |
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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Dec 11, 2009 19:15:52 GMT -5
-  Script, I love you, too. - |
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Post by Rennie Ellen on Dec 11, 2009 19:18:15 GMT -5
Please, Script, don't leave. Angel and I would miss you and your wise duck so much!
I've appreciated your wise counsel and advice through the years I've known you on this board. I love your sense of humor and honesty. So please don't go. If I got on my knees to beg you right now, it would take a while to get up....so please stay. 
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Post by andrea on Dec 11, 2009 19:31:26 GMT -5
Script - You are loved and this board would be lost w/o you. Please stay because you are very important and loved here.
Andrea
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Post by DJ on Dec 11, 2009 19:36:57 GMT -5
all the love in the world to script.
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Post by echo on Dec 11, 2009 19:52:01 GMT -5
Sometimes new members don't understand
the unconditional acceptance practiced here......
luv and hugs to you Script .....
Please don't leave the rest of us
because of a few.
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Post by templeton on Dec 11, 2009 20:11:24 GMT -5
Script,
I have long been a lurker, both here and at the SS board, but the thought of you leaving is driving me out of lurkdom.
Certainly there's a time and place for political correctness. But there should also be times and places where we can just be ourselves. Anyone who has been a long-time reader of this board knows that you meant no offense.
I don't mind admitting that one problem I have is ***, a word that is banned on this board (at least in its correctly spelled form, as being "politically uncorrect"). It seems to be all the rage these days to declare oneself as having an attention deficient. But for me, the truth is: I choose to allow myself to be distracted. I don't LIKE doing housework; I loathe housework. I find it easy to keep something than to go through the effort of throwing it away.
Banning the use of "***" is, in my mind, taking "political correctness" too far. But this has been debated on this board before.
Script, I've enjoyed reading your postings--full of common sense (an all-too-rare commodity sometimes these days) and good humor. You've been here for us; I hope you'll reconsider and continue to stay. You're a big part of this site and we'd be less if you were gone.
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Post by minball on Dec 11, 2009 20:12:30 GMT -5
Script, I would miss you terribly if you were to go. You were very kind to me when I was new at the old Squalor Survivors boards and struggling through a difficult time. I know I am not the only one - your kind words and wisdom have meant so much to so many of us here.
If you need to take a break from these boards for your own well-being, I'm not going to beg you to stay and do something that is harmful to you. But I wanted to let you know how much you are appreciated.
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Post by morethanyouneed on Dec 11, 2009 20:18:22 GMT -5
Part of the "problem" here is me. I stood up and objected to a word that Script used for those of Italian ancestry. The word has a history of being used as a slur. The word is offensive to many people of Italian descent.
Do those of you standing up to support the use of a ethnic slur support other hateful words?
Where is MY acceptance? Where is the understanding that I had to read my ethnic heritage being dragged through the mud? I don't rate? I don't get that kind of acceptance?
Why are you all racing to support the use of an offensive word? Why are you all standing up to say, "WE SUPPORT THE USE OF WORDS THAT HURT"?
So, by your reasoning, it's okay to use words that hurt and make people uncomfortable if you're an old-time member here? Tell me, how many posts must I make before I can use language that you find offensive? Do I measure the time in days, weeks, months or years? How many people must I support before I'm allowed to use whatever words I want to use without thought for the feelings of others?
I hear you guys loud and clear - I've not been here as long as Script so my feelings don't matter. Perhaps you should make this known to new members when they register? Something like, "you only have a right to your feelings and you will only be accepted when you've made ___ number of posts...until then, suck it up because we don't care."
For such an accepting bunch, you've kicked my *** to the curb and paid no attention whatsoever to the fact that I HAVE NOT BEEN ACCEPTED and MY FEELINGS have not been shown any consideration.
For those of you standing up for Script's right to use words that hurt - to you I say, FOR SHAME.
You can go back to living in a world where someone's ancestry isn't treated with respect. You can go back to living in a world where people are welcome to use words that label and demean. If living in a world where we respect each other and do not choose to use words that hurt means living in a "politically correct" world - bring it on. That's the world I want to live in.
The rest of you can happily populate boards where you like to tell yourselves you care about other's feelings - I will not be a party to that hypocrisy.
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Post by moggyfan on Dec 11, 2009 20:26:53 GMT -5
I am modifying this post because I spoke in anger. What I mean to say is, DON'T GO, SCRIPT.
ETA: I am the grandchild of Italian immigrant grandparents. Our family members have proudly referred to ourselves as "Eye-ties" for generations. No one I know, Italian or otherwise, has ever considered it a slur.
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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Dec 11, 2009 20:30:37 GMT -5
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For me, this is not a cut-and-dried issue.
I was unaware that the term was considered an ethnic slur. I thought it was just an unusual spelling.
I have Italian relatives who have never mentioned it.
Morethanyouneed, I'm sorry you feel hurt.
Everyone has a right to be at SOS if they want to improve their housekeeping.
I hope that BOTH morethanyouneed and Script remain here.
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Post by JessicaMessica on Dec 11, 2009 20:36:13 GMT -5
This is upsetting.  I'm sorry people feel/felt hurt. This isn't the place for that. This is where we come to get help and support when we feel hurt from the "outside world" (if you will). But...it's obvious the word was not directed at morethanyouneed. In which case...it wasn't their place to state how offended they felt...it had nothing to do with them. Meaning...okay, take offense, stop reading the post, quietly move onto another thread. No big deal. There shouldn't have been a big blowout like this, and now one of our most treasured members might be leaving. Now that that's out of the way, much love to Script, and you say whatever words you want, when you want! You sure earned it. <3 |
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Post by disorganizeddragon on Dec 11, 2009 20:40:39 GMT -5
Morethanyouneed, there is no law in this country or rule on this board guaranteeing your right to never be offended. Just as you have the right to post what you think and feel, so does Script and everyone else. And the fact is you may sometimes be offended by what other people think and write. That's simply how life works. It's not PC and it never will be.
It boils down to this: The hard work of Script and the other administrators has made this board possible. If it were not for them, none of us would have a board to post on or a place to come for the help so many of us desperately need.
This thread is not about "supporting words that hurt." It's about supporting a hard-working, and in fact, critical member of this community to let her know how much we appreciate all her hard work all these years.
Again, Script's efforts made this board possible for you and me and everyone else in the first place. We love her for all that she's done and we don't want her to leave. I'm sorry that you feel hurt and abandoned by our feelings for her. The support you see us giving to Script has been there for every board member and is there for you as well, but you must understand that this board is world-wide and everyone expresses themselves differently. You will disagree with others or even be offended from time to time, but once again, that's how life works.
And I for one will not apologize for supporting and being grateful for someone that has kept this board up and running for all of us that need it.
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Post by CourageouslyLion SeeksSerenity on Dec 11, 2009 20:41:24 GMT -5
This is where we come to get help and support when we feel hurt from the "outside world" (if you will). That's why I wouldn't tell someone to leave. If this were a forum that discussed baseball or knitting ... well, then it would make sense if the "upset person" was told to leave. There are plenty of other forums about knitting or baseball. But ... here, we are a group of people who have suffered and need help. This is one of the only places to find help. Let's work this out. Morethanyouneed and Script, I hope this misunderstanding can be worked out. I hope you both stay. Edit to emphasize: newcomers and oldtimers are equally important here. And equally in need of support around housekeeping.- |
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Post by Rennie Ellen on Dec 11, 2009 20:48:05 GMT -5
morethanyouneed,
Those of us who have been on this board and the previous one have known Script a long time, and we know she meant no offense. I read the posts and I saw nothing wrong with what Script wrote. The context of what she wrote was not demeaning anyone. And you have to look at the CONTEXT.
We can get so politically correct that there's no joy in anything anymore. We're walking on eggshells because we're so afraid we might offend someone.
I'd rather live in a world where we can laugh at ourselves and not worry about being so PC.
That's my two cents worth.
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