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Post by disorganizeddragon on Jun 25, 2010 12:45:52 GMT -5
Yes, CF, I know you're right about the Humane Society shelters. There are a couple in my city which are truly no-kill, but they have waiting lists months long for people needing to surrender their animals. The humane society in the city where my mom lives tries to hold the animals for as long as possible, but I know they do end up having to put quite a few down just because of the space issues. I know if BTT took Shep to a shelter that there's no guarantee he won't eventually be put to sleep. But even if he only had a small window of time to be adopted, it's more of a chance than if he was simply destroyed straight away. I'd like to think a bit of a chance is better than none at all. The whole subject is just so very sad.
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Post by success19 on Jun 25, 2010 14:28:35 GMT -5
You might see if you can find some guys with trucks who will move stuff cheaper - rather than traditional moving companies. Sometime college kids do this for extra money.
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Post by bigtimetroubles on Jun 25, 2010 17:09:41 GMT -5
one of the problems with Shep is he is a one person dog and does not take well to strangers...so it took me over week to get him to touch me and he snarled at me with teeth showing when I went outside to see if he would let me touch him at the very onset....so he will take a real real lot of patience for anyone to take him away from me...so I will not let him go....the whole thing is I have got to move and am getting brand new carpeting in the house. He has chewed carpet here...he has not only destroyed that but four other major furniture items....so he has a pattern that I am working on breaking....I do not want to see the new house get its new carpet destroyed and the owner turning to putting me on the street for that if it were to happen....so I am taking Shep and Doc to new home where I am hoping things all go according to good doggie behaviors....fear drove me to say what I said...I am fear driven for all sorts of things...I am alcoholic with fears in life....I do not want to kill Shep off....I just had nothing more on my mind than what if and water under the bridge for everyone who is on the bandwagon that Shep needs a new home....that would be hard very very very hard to find him a new home that would work for him.....hugs btt
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Post by dtesposito on Jun 25, 2010 17:36:34 GMT -5
Btt, I’m glad you got the house, that must be a big relief and now you can start the work of cleaning and packing. I thought it was great when you said you weren’t going to take the first apartment you saw, that you were going to continue to look for a place that would let you take both dogs with you—so I know you care about the dogs and want to keep them. You aren't the first person who said something that didn't come out exactly right! What made me frustrated was seeing you make a decision (carpeting instead of hardwood floors) that made it a lot more likely that you would again have to face the prospect of giving Shep up later—not only the fact that you know he’s likely to chew it, but that if he has any accidents in the house, it will be a lot harder to clean up than if you were dealing with hardwood floors. I know it could have been a decision you made on the fly without thinking it out, you’re obviously very rushed for time right now with your move and the pickup of your business—but when you share your life here (including introducing everyone to Shep) you run the risk of us putting in our two cents! I personally am amongst the crowd that considers animals a part of the family and have gone to great lengths to keep “special needs” cats that caused me a lot of expense and work. I also know that not everyone feels this way, and I’m going to hear about people giving up their animals for various reasons. I always hope though, that whoever does this has thought it through and tried their very best to solve the problems first. I feel like I have to say a few words from the point of view of someone who has worked at animal shelters for 25 years—the concept of a “no-kill” shelter is great, but it doesn’t solve the overpopulation problem. Shelters that don’t euthanize fill up and then have no more room. It’s not just a question of calling around until you find one with space, there IS no space. This is why euthanizing shelters exist—it isn’t that the people there don’t care, don’t like animals, are cruel, or whatever else that has been said about them. They exist because other PEOPLE cause there to be animals with no homes, WAY more than can ever find homes—it’s far better for an animal to be euthanized than the alternative—life on the street is horrible. And when young, healthy, well-behaved animals are euthanized every day just because there aren’t enough people adopting them—you have to realize that those with behavior problems very rarely have a chance. This is why it’s so important to work on behavior problems—there is no one waiting with open arms to adopt animals that bite, chew things up, aren’t housebroken, etc. And by the way, people who end up having to bring an animal to a euthanizing shelter should not be made to feel guilty, because next time they have an animal they don’t want they will drop it off outside somewhere. At least a humanely euthanized animal feels nothing during the process and is not at risk for future suffering. Btt, I hope that when the rush of moving is over, you’ll take some time to plan that Shep has the best possible chance to succeed in his new home. There are some things you can do to help him adjust and have more things to think about than chewing up the furniture, it sounds like there are a lot of animal people here and you know we'll have suggestons if you ask for them. (We always do...) I think everyone agrees that we wish the best for all three of you! Diane
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Post by Little_Ninja on Jun 25, 2010 19:37:21 GMT -5
I feel compelled to speak up here, not so much about what BTT said, but about a response to it. I don't disagree with anyone who thinks the idea of taking a dog to be destroyed over chewing carpets is terrible. (And BTT, I think you could probably guess the stir you would cause when you posted that.) I hope that was said in frustration and is an exaggeration. But because I think the dog will most likely destroy things in the new house just like the old, it would be best to find a good home for him.
But Little Ninja, I also think explaining to BTT that you're a better dog parent than him because you would keep a dog no matter how destructive or poorly behaved is ridiculous. If you have a problem with the 'destroy' sentiment, you're right to say something. But to try to slather on the guilt that he may not keep a dog that's not right for him, that's not only just a shot in anger, but it's enabling squalor.
I commend you for how much you care for your pets and that you don't care how destructive or messy they might be. But there are many people who would be far better off by recognizing that they can't manage the pets they have or at least not as many as they have, and giving them different homes. I'm not saying that's right for you, but it's clearly right for some people. When squalor creeps in, pet upkeep like scooped litter boxes and prompt cleaning of messes, whether biological or from destruction, is often one of the first things to slide.
I realize you said that he should find a home for it. But then you scold him for that in the next sentence by pointing out how you would never do that, no matter what because you're a true dog lover. Pretty unfair.
I have kept dogs that I could not housebreak properly, and it's a royal pain in the bottom. That's my decision, and not one I would try to guilt anyone else over, and as far as squalor it was a huge mistake. I wouldn't change it now, but I also wouldn't criticize or judge anyone for finding another home for a dog that he doesn't have the energy or the time to teach proper behaviors. Gosh clutterfree! I would love to respond to your "post" and defend myself (and write it in really e-a-s-y--t-o--u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d language so that YOU especially would understand), but yet I am honoring your request from the PM you sent me back on August 4, 2009, which said: Please don't every reply directly to any post of mine. I'm not assuming that you would ever have any interest in doing so, just making my preference known beforehand. Thank you.OMG! (slaps palm to forehead) I just dishonored your request! Little_Ninja[/size]
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Post by mellowyellow on Jun 25, 2010 21:30:34 GMT -5
"one of the problems with Shep is he is a one person dog and does not take well to strangers...so it took me over week to get him to touch me and he snarled at me with teeth showing when I went outside to see if he would let me touch him at the very onset....so he will take a real real lot of patience for anyone to take him away from me...so I will not let him go....the whole thing is I have got to move and am getting brand new carpeting in the house. He has chewed carpet here...he has not only destroyed that but four other major furniture items....so he has a pattern that I am working on breaking....I do not want to see the new house get its new carpet destroyed and the owner turning to putting me on the street for that if it were to happen....so I am taking Shep and Doc to new home where I am hoping things all go according to good doggie behaviors....fear drove me to say what I said...I am fear driven for all sorts of things...I am alcoholic with fears in life....I do not want to kill Shep off....I just had nothing more on my mind than what if and water under the bridge for everyone who is on the bandwagon that Shep needs a new home....that would be hard very very very hard to find him a new home that would work for him.....hugs btt
There is so much more to you than shows on the surface BTT. I wish you well in your move. I hope you are able to get the support you need for Shep. I know you love him and that the comments you sometimes flippantly make are hard and sharp and seemingly unfeeling. But I also see how you use it as a shield so that you don't need to feel. And that in coming here, you are voicing your opinions and trying to feel your way to humanity.
I don't always agree with what you say, and I don't agree with your casual way of discussing Shep... but I see in you a deep hunger to improve and become a better person, and to strive and to seek approval and affection. Deep inside, I see that you are not that different from me, and many people on here.
You love Shep, and it's your responsibility to do what you can to make his life the best it can be, if you will keep him. And that also means, you need to honour him as a friend and a pet. And not say things flippantly or in jest. I often bewail the hell I went through with Brat Kitten, but I would never joke about giving her away or doing something bad to her. Please just be aware that people become sensitive when jests are made of living creatures rather than inanimate objects. We hoarders already surround ourselves with enough dead objects.
Tell us how the move goes... I would also recommend hard wood. Even the old kind can look nice with a good buff.
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Post by clutterfree on Jun 26, 2010 1:36:09 GMT -5
Gosh clutterfree! I would love to respond to your "post" and defend myself (and write it in really e-a-s-y--t-o--u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d language so that YOU especially would understand), but yet I am honoring your request from the PM you sent me back on August 4, 2009, which said:
Please don't every reply directly to any post of mine. I'm not assuming that you would ever have any interest in doing so, just making my preference known beforehand. Thank you.
OMG! (slaps palm to forehead) I just dishonored your request!
For the record, LN, I'd forgotten about the PM. I sent that because you'd posted something, not for the first time, that I felt was so hateful it took me aback. I don't remember specifically what that was now. But given that and other posts like it, your response here doesn't surprise me.
But hey, thanks for making a private message public while ignoring the point completely. And for calling me stupid and slow. But of course, it's okay for you to be just as hateful and condescending as you want because you're Little Ninja.
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Post by bigtimetroubles on Jun 26, 2010 5:15:41 GMT -5
I am going to ask mods to lock this thread...I am sick of the bull here....sorry....hugs btt
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